Curse

Ninna · Jun 20, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

ive been in *many* pickup groups where
- party didnt care about how much energy the monk had
- party didnt care about splitting up (to their doom)

monk was the 1st to be blamed for deaths tho

Snowman · Jun 20, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

it is an unfortunate and sad truth about being a monk and I do sympathise!

I feel though, if I die, because the monk doesnt have the energy, or Im out of reach.. or ive put myself in a silly situation... then, tbh, its my fault not the monks.

if the monk is under pressure.. and needs to concentrate of healing himself.. ive got to do everything to avoid damage, but sometimes you have to take a calculated risk!..

sometimes I take a calculated risk knowing full well that I might not have monk support, I may have to over extend, .. which may make or break!

I then get a bolocking from the monk... but im just like, chill out man, it doesnt matter.. I knew the risk, I sufferd!.. you did the right thing to not follow me and heal me, you did the right thing to stay back and heal the others..

sometimes monks are obsessed with keeping EVERYONE alive.. and over commit themselves, and then its the monks doing the abusing!

Guildwars isnt the unique this problem tho, nearly every game has this problem.

Tien ak · Jun 20, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by JYX

nooblar dweebs? I wish people would stop bashing W/Mo. I also wish people would stop with the variations on "noob". This isn't counterstrike, if anything...shouldn't we be using gosu / hasu / chobo? ^^;;

I so agree with you there notice how people only hate W/Mo just beacuse of the few people, W/mo are usually stupid and usless but some how im allways need in teams lol Got told yesturday in a Scrimmige 5 v 5 that W/Mo was useless was so funny them blinding me and then curing it then slashing them up to bits >= ) Not so useless now eh?

I never hold judgements on any character class only the person playing it...i've meet so many arse holes it's beyond belief...And to all people who say Noob the only "noob's" in the games are the ones that call people Noobs you take this piss outta people in game you lose end of story.

RTSFirebat · Jun 20, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I do feel for monks, sometimes with my Ranger I just a bit carried away and charge into the next battle.

Really the only true solution is:

"A.NET ALLOW US TO SEE THE ENERGY OF TEAM MATES AND ALLIES!"

That is all.

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

Wouldnt help, because some elitists think that if the monk is low on energy, its normally their problem and they don't care.

When I monk in pve...I almost ALWAYS end the battle with half or more energy...Only when the battle drags out a long time does the energy start be a problem.

I think one thing Monks in pve have a problem with is being alittle overzealous in their healing, wasting energy. If their not dying, a simple Orison or something is fine...Don't have to try to spam 10 energy healing breezes and stuff.

In honesty, one of the main reasons people die under me, is they are getting constantly pounded on by some big baddy, and actting like its a normal day or something...I'm thinking too myself HEY SOFTIE ALLY, I CAN ONLY SPAM ORISON AND WORD/ETC ON YOU SO LONG BEFORE THOSE 2-3 BIG MELEE BADDIES POUNDING ON YOU OUT DAMAGE THE RECHARGES ON MY SPELLS.

In Dragon's Lair one time, we had 1 human monk, sually perfect for that mission if you aren't killing glint, we get in, and it seems really that his guy only had 2 skills I could see him using the whole time - Heal Party, and Healing Breeze.

Most battles went like this:
We aggro them
He uses 3-4 Heal Parties, then starts spamming "My Energy is 2 of 50" or whatever.
We self heal to finish that aggro group, and move on to the next, where the same thing happens.

Winx.ZN · Jun 20, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I play my monk through the game second (first my tank, cuz i can run the map).
Anyway, hes done with Factions, so I only play certain areas with him (aka : hes always in one of 3 areas if Im not helping guildies or feel like helping new players on missions).
Some people have gotten used to me and recognize me. They invite me to their party. They know I have a VERY low tolerance for abuse and will give my last 5 energy to save them before I heal myself and run away. I also do not insult other players or call them noobs (especially if its their first time in some of these areas).
What most of these people that I play with, and keep getting reinvited, have learned the following :
After asking kindly that they stop insulting/abusing me with no effect. I stop healing that person. They die. Trust me, they get enough warnings.
If ANYONE ressurects that person. I leave. Simple, effective.
For those that have played Urgoz Warren, imagine what it feels like to be left for dead the room before Urgoz. Painful lesson, but somehow I think some of these people think twice about abusing their monks next time.
What seems to happen, is the other people in the party shrug, tell the person they should have listened and we move on, leaving their corpse behind.
I honestly believe everyone in GW should make 1 of each character class, and delete the ones they dont like, but at least play them. You do not know how hard or useful a class is till you have been one.
Along with Monk abuse is Mesmer ignorance in my book.
-done-

FalconDance · Jun 20, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Sasquatch, I think the entire time my monk has played Prophecies she has only had one battery in the party, and that was late in the game! While it's nice to run as one of a pair of healers, it's just not always possible. She carries a +egy wand and a +27/-1 offhand but if the mission/quest looks to be short and sweet, Kephket's staff is a sweet alternative with it's 4 pips of regen and pretty sparklies

. Energy management is up to me in the long run---but parties who understand this surely helps a lot!

Signet of Devotion goes a long way when regening that few points needed for more significant healing.

Breeze goes a long ways when someone's taking consistent damage (but not lethal) and another is in more serious danger.

A wammo's self-Mending is helpful IF he/she knows what they're doing to start with.

So yes, it's actually all about who's behind the keyboard and the avatar. If the person has taken the time and care to learn the profession and what works best for him/her, then all's good. If they've simply chosen monks because they think the tats are cool and they want to (eventually) be a 55 solo because everyone knows they're the baddest sobs in the game and uber-rich, then <shrugs>.

Personal favorite story: a monk's reply in one of the So Shiverpeaks missions once (THK, I think it was). We had 2 monks, one who'd worked hard to heal us and fallen and another monk who threw some heal around but wasn't noticeably helping (as in mostly just standing there). When we had waited for the 2nd monk to raise the other monk (we all only had the sig and were trying to be smart), he then seemed to wake up and replied "I can't". We, of course, asked him why not. After all, he had said he was set as a full healer. He replied that he was "a pure healer, I don't resurrect".

But you know, it's the same with every profession. My first character, Lili, has finished Tyria and is making serious inroads into Cantha. She's an expert sniper---not a trapper, not a 'touch-ranger', not a beast master or any of those 'approved builds'---and often she is the last left standing because she does her job, which is to fight as a ranged character and to take out enemy mages then cover any escaped aggro trying to take out her casters. Of course, ocassionally she's takes a dirt nap, but a little snooze can be refreshing

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Sir Mad · Jun 20, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Sometimes I feel like filling my skillbar with sigs... You don't want to wait for my energy to recharge? Fine, I won't use energy consuming skills!

And even then, I'm sure they wouldn't get it...

raven214 · Jun 20, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by ihmurria

ctrl click your energy bar, it's faster than saying you need to recharge.

If only more people listened when you do this.... I made a monk for similar reasons as the OP... and I found that I rather enjoyed it when with a decent group (it's definitely a different style of play from the other prof's). I started a new monk in Cantha, and I cannot the believe how people ignore your energy level.

I think it was the Closer to the Stars mission where I noticed this the worst (so far)... after each group we killed I kept calling my energy:

My Energy is 3 of XX
My Energy is 4 of XX
My Energy is 7 of XX

And no matter how low I was, they would not wait a few seconds for me to recharge. I just about gave up... thinking if they die, they die. How do people expect you to keep them alive when you have no energy?

tommarrow · Jun 20, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I have seen a instance of reverse monk abuse. We were in a mission where we only had one monk because there just weren't very many people in town. No problem it is not that tough of a mission. So while we are in there the monk decides he is going to tell us how everyone should play their parts in the mission. Everyone just went on playing like they normally would and we were doing fine, no one was rushing or over aggroing. The monk starts complaining and says that he will leave and find another group if we don't do it the way he wants. I am not sure how it ended since I got a Err7.

Vincaro · Jun 20, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

What I'm really sick of is Monks that spend all their time whining that they're being abused... if you're being blamed all the time for a group failing, either it is in fact your fault, or you're picking very poor groups. Here's a hint, if you're trying to smite or protect as well as healing it's probably your fault. A monk should be all heal or all protect. My Heal monk can work miracles because I'm Energy conserving 100% Heal. And by the way, I join the first somewhat ballanced group to invite me and usually make it through missions just fine often in very good time. (I Take Hench for anything but missions and often in missions too if I'm fed up with the many morons out there)

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by raven214

If only more people listened when you do this.... I made a monk for similar reasons as the OP... and I found that I rather enjoyed it when with a decent group (it's definitely a different style of play from the other prof's). I started a new monk in Canthan, and I cannot the believe how people ignore your energy level.

I think it was the Closer to the Stars mission where I noticed this the worst (so far)... after each group we killed I kept calling my energy:

My Energy is 3 of XX
My Energy is 4 of XX
My Energy is 7 of XX

And no matter how low I was, they would not wait a few seconds for me to recharge. I just about gave up... thinking if they die, they die. How do people expect you to keep them alive when you have no energy?

If your energy is this low after every group (like you said) of those enemies in that mission, its pretty much your fault and I can't pity you... I'd reconsider my build in your situation.

EDIT: This brings me to a more broad point....

Monks think its their RIGHT to bring whatever lame non energy effective build they want, and the party should stop after every fight to compensate for this... I understand that a monk can get "pooped" out for energy and they should say this, but I think its retarded when all they do is Spam "My Energy is [y] of [x]" after every fight, and yell when noone cares.

On another note: In Vizunah Sqaure (foreign) 2 days ago, some monk was spamming this in All Chat: "Monking for mission, 1.5k per party member. You pay Warriors for runs, why not have to pay monks for healing." Everyone had a good laugh at that.

Skuld · Jun 20, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

if you're running out of energy you need a new build..

Skuld · Jun 20, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Vincaro

What I'm really sick of is Monks that spend all their time whining that they're being abused... if you're being blamed all the time for a group failing, either it is in fact your fault, or you're picking very poor groups. Here's a hint, if you're trying to smite or protect as well as healing it's probably your fault. A monk should be all heal or all protect. My Heal monk can work miracles because I'm Energy conserving 100% Heal. And by the way, I join the first somewhat ballanced group to invite me and usually make it through missions just fine often in very good time. (I Take Hench for anything but missions and often in missions too if I'm fed up with the many morons out there)

Not true, my healing build with prot spirit and sometimes aegis that i usually use is more effective than full heal

Zehnchu · Jun 20, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Player: go protection monk.
Me: Read my name….you see it says healer…right.

Player: Heal my pet plz.
Me: I’m not a veterinarian.

Player spam’s I’m dead.
Me: um where are you? What are you doing way over there in BFE?

Player: heal me……
Me: put your armor back on.

Player: why didn't you heal me?
Me: because you where dead.

Player: you need to learn better energy management and learn your skills
Me: ok…I’ll start by not healing and rezing you!!
Player: why are you standing there?
Me. Perfecting my energy management.

Me: Sorry but I this will never work seven assassins and one monk…..

Player: rez me rez me rez me rez me rez me rez me.
Unyielding Aura
Me: now behave.

Skuld · Jun 20, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

1 + 6 is just being a jerk :|

death fuzzy · Jun 20, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

You're the monk.
Everyone wants you.
You can pick and choose the people you want to play with
If you hate someone, you let them die

Can anyone say TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION!!!1!#`@#!3

SasquatchTimeToDie · Jun 20, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

As I read this thread, I am slowly growing more and angrier at this issue. Who the hell do you monks think you are, honestly? Monk, is not a secret option, which only the truly leet players get. Anybody can make a monk, you aren't special, and your job is NO MORE VITAL THAN ANY OTHER PROFESSION! I REPEAT: NO MORE VITAL THAN ANY OTHER PROFESSION! You are equally as important as the Tank and the Mesmer. You keep on saying "I'm the one healing the group." Well the Tank is the one who is taking 90% of eth damage so all the squishies aren't dead in 3 seconds flat. And the Mesmer is the one making everybody else’s job a helluva lot easier, by throwing on hexes, and sapping energy.

Monks are not a special class, get over yourselves. All the monks demanding that the rest of us "behave" or "shape up” should play the game with hench.

I think im repeating something i said earlier, but if there was a surplus in Monks, this elitism wouldn't exist, and the oh-so-hated W/Mo will be the ones making unreasonable and elitist demands on the rest of us.

Beat_Go_Stick · Jun 20, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

But seriously,

Hahaha! You rule! Made my hour

Seriously though, this thread is a year old. Way to bring it back from the dead.

Now I've been playing a Monk since Prophecies was released and I've seen more than my share or dumb-assery.

Rangers trying to pull with shortbows.
Warriors drawing aggro and brushing it off on the casters so they can more freely go after the enemy casters.
Mesmers casting Physical Rsistance and trying to tank only to get worked over by Chain Lightning.
Necros who sac themselves to death in the middle of a battle and blame the healer when they werent even being attacked.
Elementalists who think that speccing 'Fire' makes them immune to it.
Monks who use Zealots Fire and Healing Touch together on the Warrior who drew aggro into a nice little pile...that then disperses and attacks the monk, who then runs back to the line of casters, and drags the mob with him.
Assassins with 7 attack skills and 1 teleport.
Ritualists using EoE and skills that kill their own spirits.

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Originally Posted by SasquatchTimeToDie

As I read this thread, I am slowly growing more and angrier at this issue. Who the hell do you monks think you are, honestly? Monk, is not a secret option, which only the truly leet players get. Anybody can make a monk, you aren't special, and your job is NO MORE VITAL THAN ANY OTHER PROFESSION! I REPEAT: NO MORE VITAL THAN ANY OTHER PROFESSION! You are equally as important as the Tank and the Mesmer. You keep on saying "I'm the one healing the group." Well the Tank is the one who is taking 90% of eth damage so all the squishies aren't dead in 3 seconds flat. And the Mesmer is the one making everybody else’s job a helluva lot easier, by throwing on hexes, and sapping energy.

Monks are not a special class, get over yourselves. All the monks demanding that the rest of us "behave" or "shape up” should play the game with hench.

I think im repeating something i said earlier, but if there was a surplus in Monks, this elitism wouldn't exist, and the oh-so-hated W/Mo will be the ones making unreasonable and elitist demands on the rest of us.

The main problem, and the reason Monks get so pissed, is that 6-7 out of 8 of the dumb-ass moves I listed are the Monks problem. We bear the brunt of almost every other classes idiocy...even when it's performed by the other Monk (especially then).

You say we aren't a special class, but you are mistaken. The base of any 8-(wo)man party is a method to prevent or heal damage while simultaneously being able to deal as much damage as possible. While there are numerous methods of dealing damage by any number of classes, Monk primaries or secondaries have always had (until the introduction of the Ritualist class) a monopoly on the healing aspect.

It's the same in every game I've played and the real world as well. Good healers are worth their weight in soldiers. Everyone knows it and that's why we are needed. There is a team build for any mission in this game that could gain Mastery level (or complete the bonus) without any class except Monk. I'd like to see anyone get Masters level completion of Vizunah's Square without a Monk primary or secondary. I don't think it could be done....and I think you'd have a rough time even completing it, honestly.

You need us

May as well just admit it.

-An Egocentric Monk

TadaceAce · Jun 20, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

yeah monks aren't any more needed than any other class... Go ahead... go into gvg without a monk... go ahead, go into gvg without an ele/rit/mes/war/sin/rng and tell me how you fair in each.